Welcome to the Spunky Spirit Podcast. I'm your host, Psychic Medium, Carrie Mugs. This is where we learn all things spirit, everything from spiritual gifts, awakenings, ghosts, aliens, and star seeds. Nothing is untouchable, but always fun and spunky. I am honored to be on this spiritual journey with you, so make sure you hit the subscribe button so you never miss an episode. I am so excited to have with us Barbara with, she is an international peace activist, an award-winning author, a psychic, and a channeler, and also too, you work with, you and channel with Albert Einstein, correct? Yes. Okay, and we'll talk about that a little bit later on. And you also have a society or a party, does this sorority, does that make sense? The psychic sorority. Yes, and we'll talk about that. And you've also written six books and one of them is about the afterlife, correct? Yes. Yes, and this is so amazing. So it's an honor to have you here. I'm excited to talk about this stuff because a lot of my followers love to talk about the mediumship stuff, but I think the channeling is what they would be a lot of, it would be having a lot of interest in. So, how old were you, or when did you start channeling? You know, I officially started channeling in the way that I do now in 1987. Oh, wow. But I always like to say that I preempted that with music because I was a very, very young musician. I started playing the piano at five. I started writing songs at 12. And by the time I got out of high school, I had two sets of original music and I just went on a road for 20 years as a composer, performer in rock and roll. Oh, that's amazing. So, you know, in terms of what is channeling, writing music is channeling. Right. Yes. And I once heard a very famous physicist named Brian Green describe how he does math and that's channeling. Yeah. So, for me, it's about going into the nothing or the non-physical and listening and being able to interpret what I'm hearing back in my words and expression. Yeah. And you made extraordinary work out of channeling. Yes. And you're doing, you're on a tour right now about, it's called Revolution. Conflict Revolution. Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about that? I feel like that is amazing. Yeah. It really is. And just briefly about the origins. So, when I began to channel, I had had a mentor for many years and she described herself as an antenna. Oh, yes. There wasn't anybody else or any angels or aliens or whatever. So, when I began to channel, that's how I felt. But in 1993, I wanted to do some group channeling to see what would these voices say coming to a group of people. And as it turned out, I had two new clients and they had sent a bunch of their women friends. And when Kim came for her reading, everything was really elevated. And really clear. Like more clearly. Yes. Very clear and very fast. I love that. What happened? Yeah. I was hanging out in my chair and she was, you know, she was a very conservative businesswoman who would never have come to a psychic except she was in crisis. Oh, yes. So, it was particularly profound for her who was really skeptical to a couple days later call me up and say, "I've transcribed my tape. What does this mean? And what does this mean? And what does this mean?" And so, we started to have these conversations. Right. And at the time, I was playing, I was doing a long-term gig in a beautiful hotel in Minneapolis and they would come on my breaks. We would talk. So, about the same time, I thought, "Oh my gosh, here's my group." They were thinking, "Hey, let's have a bottle of wine and get all the girls over and let's, you know, ask Barb to come." So, I called them up and they're like, "Hey, we're just thinking that." So, our very first group channel was December of 1993. So, it was just a little over 30 years ago. And they asked, "Who are you in a reading?" Right. In the reading. I have to say to you, before you go, don't you love it when the skeptical readings are like the best? Like, when they're the best readings ever. Like, you get, I don't know about you, but I sometimes, I can tell when they're skeptical and I get a little nervous, but then they turn into this magical thing and it turns into something bigger than what you even imagined. I think those are the best kinds. So, when you said, when you were in the group, like when you were talking about being in the group and channeling the group, so is that like a, when you channel a group, was a group of spirits or like a, or just a group of people that were in it? Well, I didn't know what to expect. Right. Because I didn't have any group of, I didn't have a party or anybody I was channeling. And so, I meant, just the group of us, there were about eight of us who came in and we, I channeled for about two and a half hours and, and we just transcribed it. And basically what they said, and I wouldn't say this was exactly in the very first group we did, but we did many, many groups after that. They said that they were angels. And see, I think skepticism is a really good thing. I do too. I, it's, it's the cynics that, that's hard when they don't want to change their mind at all. That's good. Skeptics are good. I love that because they always have like a little bit of an open mind. It's the cynic that's like, that don't want to change their mind. And you can't say anything. That's the thing that I struggle with. But skeptics, I think skeptics are, it's beautiful because, because like you, I've had skeptics come to you and they'll, you know, they'll sit there and their arms are crossed. And then by the end of the reading, they're just like amazed. And I think that that's what's so beautiful. And those are the strongest, sometimes some of the strongest readings I feel like when you get a lot of the information. So I think that's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. And, and also that skepticism will withstand the truth. You know, if you're skeptical and it's the truth, then, then you, then you learn. So spirit knows truth, right? Spirit knows exactly. Your soul knows truth. And so it can't deny it. I feel like, yeah. Right. Yeah. So go ahead. So, so the angels basically told us they had this revolutionary process to resolve conflict that they felt was going to be a pathway to global peace. So they kept saying, we're not, you know, the byproduct of what we're teaching you will be global peace. But we want you to focus on this process and test it for us. Is the process within first? Yes. I love that. I love that. So they needed these humans to test it on real conflict. And the three of us who had already dubbed ourselves the psychic sorority, we just took the ball and ran. And we eventually had our first conflict. And as we're sitting at the table doing the traditional, well, you could have done this and you could have done that. And I said, wait a minute, let's get that transcript. And I read the one line that hit me when I channeled it so hard. It was like, if you have a conflict, the root of your part of it is within you. Yes. Yes. I tell my clients or my followers all the time, they'll totally agree with you because they all know if you took the process to grow spiritually is all within. It's not something outside of ourselves. It's always something within. What I find interesting is that this thing that you're doing is you find it all within, which will go outside. It will go globally and collectively. And I think that that is amazing. I think that that's a beautiful thing too. Because, of course, this will probably age me too, but I don't know if you remember, but do you remember the Kwanab Leap series where Sam Beckett would jump into different episodes every different lifetimes? And at the very end, he talks to God or Source and he says, he thought he would make a bigger difference. And God says, well, you had to do it one at a time. You had to do it with one person at a time. It wasn't going to be one great big thing. You had to do it one at a time. So I think that this is exactly what people are looking for, exactly what needs to be done. I feel like it is to go collectively. It has to go within one person at a time. So do you just, do you do sessions with one person at a time or explain that? Like, how does that work? As far as teaching conflict revolution? Yes. No, I do. I can do one to one coaching, but I often do, well, since, you know, the past three years, I often do Zoom. Now I've gone back into live classes and groups. Can you do groups at a time? Yeah. And what's interesting is after my, well, we put out our first book is Diaries of a Psychic Charity came out in 1997. And after that, and during that time, I had discovered that I could actually communicate with people who had passed on on a local level. Yeah. Yeah. Medi-im-ship. Teresa's mother came and other people. And then I was also doing, I was called to channel for a woman whose son was autistic and had never spoke. And I sat between them and she'd ask the questions. And after a couple sessions, she's like, Nope, I don't need you. Now I know for sure that I can hear him myself. Oh, I love that. That's beautiful. And then there was my friend, Mary, and her mother was in a co, like an Alzheimer's coma. And she'd been talking about her mother and the, well, how it turned out, there was sort of this swoosh whenever a person who had passed on was in my presence. And I would see this picture of them. And so I'm describing her mother. She's like, Joan of Arc, and she's this and she's like, Yeah, that's my mom. That's my mom. So where did she pass? No, she's in a coma. Okay. That is so interesting. Cause I, and I don't, I'm sorry. No, it's so much to talk about. I know during a reading one time I was just like kind of shocked because her mom came through and everything was accurate. And she's like, but my mom's still alive. She's just has Alzheimer's. And I was like, that's why that's so interesting. Keep going. I love this. So, so anyway, so after our book came out, my literary agent got a call from a tabloid, a paranormal tabloid in London that wanted a interview with Princess Diana on the one-year anniversary of her death. And I'd never done such a thing. I'd never gone, dead people always came to me. I'd never gone looking, right? Yes, like, I know, I don't, yes, I agree. I agree. So I thought, well, I thought for a long time because I thought, Oh, a tabloid really, but so I thought, let's try it. And I channeled the questions and the answers via typing. And when I went back to read it, I just wept it was so in depth and so beautiful. And so not you, huh? Like so, so not me. I love that when that happens. I love that that yes, that oneness. I love that. So that ended up, go ahead. So that's okay. Let me tell you, the tabloid flew me out to New York. We spent five hours together, but they didn't want it. Because as you would might imagine, Princess Diana did not mention one word about Camilla or Charles. Oh, and they wanted that. That's what they wanted. Oh, yeah. My agent, my agent and I thought, well, if, if there's, you know, she'll talk, maybe there's other famous dead people who want to talk. So we made this list and I would go to him and some of them wouldn't, some of them wouldn't. And by the time we got to John Kennedy, he said, you don't have to think up people. We are a party. There's 12 of us. They call him Party of 12. And they actually told us about this in the last reading in Diaries. That's your book, isn't it? Party of 12. Yes. Yes. The afterlife interviews. Okay. Okay. So the other book is this about, oh, interesting. Okay. So that's what all these interviews were. But when I got to Einstein, that is the voice that was coming through me in my reading. That you connected with so strong. And also, you know, the body feeling of, of the music that I think he, he's been with me my whole life. And so in 2005, I decided to do a book just for him just to channel a little book. That's what I thought. Well, let's see what he has to say. It was the 100 year anniversary of his miracle year. I channeled five or six sessions and I spent the winter editing. But what happened during that winter was that he delivered to me something he couldn't do when he was alive, which was a unified field theory, which is a theory of how everything works on the macrocosm and the microcosm. And these, this unified field theory had what he called a map of human consciousness, which explained how our human consciousness interacts with energy to manifest matter. Yep. I've seen some of that too. And so, yeah, I don't, you know, you don't know when you see things or when you download things, you kind of don't really know how to explain it, but you're like, I get it. And then when you're talking about it, I'm like, okay, I get it. And you have the like scientific evidence, right? Like they have scientific, like what you're explaining scientists have said? Well, no scientist has ever come up with anything as as profound and complete as what we have. But every time I go, because through all of these years, I've been watching science. I'm not a scientist. Right. I know. All I ever wanted to be was a rock star. So here I am. But through the years, like in 2016, I think it was, they discovered the gravitational waves from Einstein's relativity. I was like, you mean our gravitational waves? Because there's gravitational waves, yeah, that's the part. And then, Nassim Harriman has been working very hard. And he's come up with his unified field. And my, my associates and I have to chuckle because he's got a little few pieces of it. But and they fit in sort of like, right? Yeah, but not anywhere near as as complete as you found, including just to add a scientific, quantifiable definition of compassion as the fifth fundamental force of the universe. See, I love that. That was so profound to me. I was like, this is kind of like, am I just making this up? Because I know, I know, I get that. And doesn't it feel that? Yes, you're like, crazy. And then you just know, like you just and you get, you know, validation after validation, you just know. And I just, I think it's beautiful what you're doing. And I have always said, if science and spirit would just combine, and that's exactly what you're doing. Like, if science and spirits could just combine their efforts, it would just be amazing. Like, and that's what I feel like you're doing on, on, on, on a, on a commutative, on a collective level, right? That's what you're doing. Yes, I think that's awesome. Yes. So when that when that book came out, imagining Einstein essays on M theory, world peace and the science of compassion, I kind of left my life behind. And I just decided I'm going to manifest this book to go where it needs to. I have no idea how I'm going to do it, but I fully intend to find out one step at a time. And I was invited to speak at a conference in Taos in 2007, that probably reached half a million people around the world. And it was really just took me all around the world, teaching, training, getting to sing as well. And I love that you have music involved too. I love that because it's like so clear, audience, like you're just, you just channel all that. So you were already kind of there, like all of your journey led you to this, to this part. Exactly. Yeah. Yes. Interesting. So, so that's, that's how I, that's how I came to be in emissary for Einstein. And then in 2016, I had kind of come in off the road from doing that. And I shifted gears a little bit. I became a investigative journalist in Wisconsin, where I live, and founded a media co-op and kind of watched the beginning of the fascist takeover of the, of Wisconsin. And now we see this whole global totalitarianism that we're all dealing with on that level. Yeah. So, but I still published in 2016, a book called Einstein et al, manifestation conflict revolution, and the new operating system. Because what I wanted to do was I wanted to do the, the art or the pictures to depict these things. Oh, I see. And I had looked in imagining Einstein, I just did these little hand drawings like a scientist might, but I wanted to do them. And so I looked for artists I couldn't. And so finally I just thought I'm just going to do it. So I sat down with my graphic skills and I, I created the whole illustrations of this unified field theory. And then, and then that proves why conflict revolution works. I see conflict revolution at the end. So do you kind of show this to people that you're like doing the sessions with or do what do you call it? Is it like a course or is it a session or? Well, it's I'm working on a course, but I also just do classes. I've been doing zoom classes for the past couple years. Lately, I've started doing in in person classes where where I'm called or where I where I find myself. And so, so if I was just in general, like just my listeners, if I was like having conflict within myself, is this where like, why would I come to you? Does that make sense? Like so if so if I was, can you answer that for me? So like my listeners can kind of know if is it if I'm having some conflict with myself or if I want an awakening or what do does that make sense? And I understand that it helps with the collective. But if I'm having an internal conflict, like how would I know? I mean, you know, you have chaos and you know, you have, you know, depression and things like that. But why would I be like, okay, I'm going to come and see this. Does that make sense? Yes. Well, first of all, because what we offer is truly revolutionary. Yes. And when you have this internal conflict, it's predicated by being triggered, right? You get emotionally triggered, right? And then you get intellectually obsessive. And so what we do, what makes it so revolutionary is not that you haven't heard these pieces before, but the way that Einstein put them together to show us, that's the difference. That's the difference. It's not like it's, it's not like, you know, so if people want to know what their, what their reason for to be here is or their purpose, this would be like that internal conflict of feeling not good enough or feeling like they don't have this would show them this is why this is they would, that they're part of the collective, right? But the difference is the Albert Einstein part of it, right? Yes. Well, that and even though we're all part of the collective, we're a fractal that we've been given our own domain. Yeah. To take care of, to live in our own life separate. I mean, the land of the physical world. We're alone, but we're part of a, yes, yes. And when we change ourselves, as you know, then we change what happens around us. Around us, yes. And what manifests. And in the unified field theory, what happens is the center of the source of everything is in the center of the planet. Now, I've never so source as in like the universe source. It's in that is a, that is a theory I've never heard before, like in the center of the earth. I, you know, I think a lot of people think of it as outside of ourselves or outside or like a heaven or so having it be in the center of the earth is actually profound to me. Like, I think that that's pretty and it, and it makes sense. Like, you know, because your spirit knows truth. So you're just like, Oh, I think that could, you know, that's, that's amazing. I love that. Yeah. And, and when he told me that back in 2005 and said the center of the earth is like a black hole because the center of the earth is spinning so fast and it's so hot from the edges of the planet that it sort of drills through space time and creates this black hole effect. And when he said that in 2005, I was like, you want me to go out there and tell people this. But if anybody goes to YouTube and Googles Brian Green and science time, there's a whole video that just got done about Brian Green explaining how black holes aren't just these big things out there eating planets. They can be very small constructs. And in fact, he said, we can be in a black hole in the earth. And that's how we're having our physical reality. So that blows me away. That does me too, actually. This is really interesting. Yeah, right. So interesting. Yes. So from the source, compassion impels energy to step out of nothing and into something and create what we call a compilation of consciousness. So it's a circular membrane domain that surrounds all of the mathematics that are making up what's in your physical world. So the chair, the tape, the fire, everything, like, and from there, a gravitational wave goes from the center of the planet to the surface of the planet. And when it breaks through, it's creating our body, it's creating this lens that they call it. And we project the entire universe and we perceive it back to us. So while people say, you know, separation isn't real, it is really real. It's just not the whole operating system. Right. It's just a part of it. So if they're what he says is this is a perfect system that whatever is programmed on this wave and in this particle is going to perfectly manifest. So if there's a lot of conflict on this part of the wave, it perfectly manifests as conflict, why the system can be perfect. And we still have conflict. And yes. So when we go in, and we work on this part of the wave, he calls it the three human dimensions of emotion, intuition, and intellect. And they're like, they're like spiritual organs, you know, you have your heart does one thing and you you fix it one way, the stomach doesn't, but they all work together. And when you know how they're supposed to work together, they work optimally. So emotion has one definition that's different than what we think it is in in, I think, the classical sense of feelings. Okay. It's defined as the primordial soup. It's at the basis of all physical reality. So in this first part of the wave that's coming out of the compilation is this big wave of emotion. So all of my fractals are just identifying I am barb, I am barb, all the chair fractals, I'm a chair, I'm a chair. So it's moving up. And when it when it moves up, it splits into two now. Okay, and it becomes intuition. And intuition is the voice of emotion, which is really the voice of compassion. And intuition is that that impelling statement or whatever, it's not always a statement, right, that's impelling you to take the next most advantageous step for the good of the whole of what's going on, right. And intuition knows that because it's connected to compassion, which knows the bigger picture of everything. So it's going to impale you. And like, there's intuitive messages right now going beat heart, beat heart, beat heart, right. So the intuition, yeah, it's our intuition. Yeah, I get that. Like, and I didn't, but I honestly, Barb, didn't realize, you know, I never even thought that emotion was connected to intuition. I mean, I knew what kind of was, but I also thought that intuition, like spoke without emotion. Does that make sense? Because in some, in some instances, when I have, when I've had my strongest intuition, there's been no emotion attached to it. There's been just like, this is what I do. But I understand that what you're saying is that our emotions can help with our intuition then, right? Is that is that kind of what? Yeah. Well, there's, there's emotion. There's the primordial soup that's coming up and impelling all of this stuff to go be a chair, go be Barb. You know, it's always impelling you to take a step, go be a chair. And then when it gets to the third, the intellect, the intellect is designed to take all of that and sort through what's inner and outer. So if it's, I am a chair, I am a chair, I am a chair is the, you know, the message of that, that fractal, it revolves it to that is a chair. So all the things that are outside of us get identified and projected. And then it identifies what's also in our inner world. So what happens though is, as we all know, intellect holds ego, right? And ego holds the mechanism that actually instigates the decisions. So if you're driving and you get an intuitive message, turn right, it's not your intuition that makes your hand grab the steering wheel and turn right. It just, it's just impelling to intellect and ego. That's the area that then makes the decision to put the hand on the wheel and turn right. And what happens, go ahead. - Are we kind of taught, and that's great. It's just, I think, in the new age culture or the new, we're kind of taught differently, right? We're kind of taught that our intuition is like what makes this turn, it's not that I intellect, it's like our intuition. Does that make sense? Like, so it's kind of like, way not, it's just different than what we've been taught normally or what we've been taught. So when we do this, you kind of explain or when, you know, we take a course or we listen to these that you're doing, it explains it. It will it like, kind of dumb it down. - Yes. - For people. - Very dumb dumb. - For me, for people like me. - No, but you're getting it though. But see what happens is, what Einstein says is, and this is why it's so revolutionary, it revolutionizes a lot of new age stuff. And one of the things is that he says that the root of all conflicts that manifest in the lens come because ego says no to intuition. - Yes. That makes sense to me. Yes. - So ego can say, turn left, I got to go over here. And that's not going to be, we've all done that. Intuition says, rest. I can't rest. I've got too much to do. And if we, what he's saying, and so far it's proven true for me, is that when we retrain ourselves, when we have this new operating system where the intellect is so mastered, that its job is to listen for the impelling and then do it. And all that other time, all that activity in our intellect, and you know how much it is, we were thinking about tomorrow and yesterday and this and that, is unnecessary. And when we, he says, to have this open mind, like you're sitting under the night sky and you're connected to the ground and you're seeing the whole sky, that's how your intellect should be. Watching the world. - Right. And can you do that in meditation? Like can you just, or is that just, you need to be outside and look at this guy literally? - No, no, it's just, it's a metaphor for - - Yes, that's what I thought. For you, okay. - Yeah, as opposed to all that thinking that we do. - Yes, that we think that we do. Yes, and I love it. - And the other revolutionary thing that really changes a lot of new ideas is that this emotion, we are supposed to be feeling all of it. It's not, oh, just stay in the joy and don't go into this. - No, no, no, no, no. - Right, because we sometimes get taught that, and I talk about this all the time on my podcast too, that toxic positivity. Like we're always supposed to be happy, we're always supposed to be everything. And I'm like, that is not true. We have to process things. We have to, we have to feel these emotions because if we pretend it's not happening, we can't do the inner stuff, which does the outer stuff, right? Is that - - Exactly, yes. But what happens is, just as a, just getting back to how matter manifests, all right? Emotion comes up, intuition says, go be a chair. Intellect turns it around, projects that that is a chair. Well, that's all well and good. But when we have an anger and it comes up through us, and probably intuition is going to tell us, go feel it or release it or something good for our bodies, something good for our health, and it gets to the intellect, it triggers thoughts that project outside ourselves, and that becomes a reality. Well, he didn't respect me and he didn't do this. And now we've got to go into the outside of ourselves to try to figure out this conflict and, you know, communicate with the person who did it to us. And there's all this rigmarole. So the process we teach people is how to feel the whole gamut. First of all, thinking is not feeling. Thinking about why you feel something is not processing feeling. It might help you to identify. Because I think a lot of people think that. I know that if they think about it, or they kind of mull it over in their head or even talk about it, they think it's processing it. It's processing it. You're processing. Okay. But a lot of times what we do is and I'm not, you know, I've had therapy my whole life. So I'm not I know, I know, this thing old world ways. But yeah, I know what I've taught myself is that feeling is really what we want to do is we want to create a channel with our breath to move the emotion which is situated in our solar plexus up through our body and not marry to any thought at all. Unless it's why breathwork works. Yes. Some people. Okay. This makes sense. It's like all the dots. I get it. Because you're breathing and you're breathing and you've had breathwork. I've had breathwork where after an hour of breathing, I go weep. Yes, because we're touching these deep. And if we don't do this, emotion doesn't just go away. All that emotion gets obsessed and it gets stuck. And then if you're on that wave, that perfectly manifesting in the lens, all that obsessed emotion is going to sit there. And what it manifests as is either an inner conflict of illness or an outer conflict of wars or relationship issues. So it creates those. I see. So when we go in and we have a new way of processing it where we do it with our breath, I used to have a mantra I'd say, I don't need to know why I'm feeling this. I just need to breathe. So and I sometimes I had to say it every five minutes because I would get back on the Oh, she did this to me. It's like, Nope, I'm not going to attach to those thoughts. I'm going to move that because this is the unifying this is our unified field when we can feel the whole of our emotion. Right. And so crazy to me because it's like aha moments for me. I'm like, Oh my gosh, that's that's that's that's that's but I'm going to ask I'm going to just ask you one question and it might be a stupid question, but I don't know. You explain what the lens is when you say the lens. What do you mean by that? Because the lens is the physical world. It's our physical world of the world. Okay, that helps. That's only 10% of the whole operating system. The rest is non physical. It's in these. And if you if I had a map of the map of the unified field, you could see that it's really just but to us, it's the whole universe, the whole universe. That's what we're experiencing. So the kind of like a metaphor of what we see through the lens a little bit. Is that or no, well, I think the lens of our eyes. Yes. Okay, which operates like it flips things like that. It's part of that. Okay, go be a chair. You're a chair is out there. So there's a lens component in it. But he calls it the lens and he he depicts it as like a reflection of that compilation of consciousness. That makes sense through reflection. Yes, that makes sense. So it's like some kind of membrane domain that we're projecting the whole universe and then perceiving it back to ourselves on this inside curvature of this, which is what Brian Green said is that it's a black hole that that we're doing that in. I see that blows my mind. But so do you feel like you've had so I just have to ask too. So is it kind of a I mean, I think it's a great kind of a cool relationship that you've had then with Albert Einstein then right? Like I think that's kind of cool as a as a medium myself. I've never like tried to like channel or I just you know, let's do my but it's interesting to me that you have this relationship with Albert Einstein and and do you think and I know that you know that there's no one more superior or inferior than anybody but why do you think that that he chose you guys your sorority or you does that make sense just because that well the angels told us we volunteered and we're chosen. Oh nice. I like that. So I was born on February 7th of 1955 and he died in April of 1955. So I think when I was very young and he went into afterlife that there was some kind of agreement that we had and it began and I think a lot of the music was part of training me for this. That gives me chance because that kind of resonates with me because I'm a total I'm big on like dates like that like you know and and with the music because I just I could feel it because that's why I said it all of your stuff has brought you to here now because I really could feel that I feel like everything that you've gone through brought you to this because I feel like it was kind of pre I hate to say predestined but it kind of in a way I kind of feel like that I kind of feel like that that's what this was like your journey your purpose and I think it's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah and not not knowing you know because when I was growing up like I said I was singing into the hairbrush and I was going to be a rock star period. You know heatwave and you know I'm going to be a rock star so I think in in talking about manifestation about how to manifest a lot of it like you've said because I've listened to some of your podcasts is you know you you can work backwards from how it's going to happen and but not be too attached to the process of where it's going. I think that's where everybody gets this so hard is they put it out there but if they have a heart they want to control how it happens even though you have to be open to however it happens so yes go ahead because I love manifesting my clients love that part. Yeah and I think what's important about working backwards with a theoretical how it can happen it gives our intellect like oh okay all right now I can see how it would happen it may not happen that way but at least now I can see how it can happen. See how it can yeah. So it opens up a part of us but for example for that big event that I was at I had left my husband I'd left my state I moved to another you know I was and I was a mess and I had hired these women who were promoters who were helping independent publishers like myself but I had no idea how any of this was going to happen and I just kept saying I fully I have no idea but I fully intend that I'm going to do this and to ask did you have any scientific background like did you know because some of the stuff you're saying I'm like I don't know if I could like kind of is a little bit over you know what I mean but then once you kind of see it you're like oh my gosh that that really resonates did you have any scientific it was all musical right like no scientific stuff no and I had to you know get it from Einstein and then learn what does this mean and does I mean am I going to go out into the world and say these things and scientists are going to look at me like you have to be a candidate and so far it hasn't been that but but yeah that's awesome and I think everyone that has like the spiritual thing or they always I like me included you kind of get to that point where like am I really going to do this am I really going to go out there and do this but you just get that push that that you have to you just have that it's like almost uncontrollable really you know what I mean like I mean I guess ego could take over and be like no we're not going to do this but there's just your soul knows differently right yeah but also I think it's important to understand intuition in a way here's the example I give my mother had to go into a assisted living so we did all this research my sisters and I intuitively this was going to be the place it was near the house where she had you know lived and I was going to be living in the house taking care of her at the assisted living well we got in there after a month and it turned out that they failed to tell us that they were just an interim company that was called in by HUD because the original owners had walked away and there was this chance that in four months everyone was going to get evicted and I beat myself up so badly I intuitively I thought this was the place what are we going to do so we worked our way through it and we stayed there but we decided not to sell the house to make sure that you know it was going to be okay in four months she wasn't getting evicted four months she's walking around she's even happier than ever they've got the business going she falls and breaks her femur and she cannot be there and had we sold the house yeah I wouldn't have been able to bring her home and then I found two homeless PCAs and a program to pay for them and she lived another almost three years yeah happily so it was almost like your intuition was right but it didn't see us right like right that's what happens all the time we listen to our intuition we do the things and they're like well wait this was but then it ends up being like that's the way it was supposed to be exactly and people have a hard time seeing that when they're in it it's it's the the big picture that they they don't see yeah well and I think we think that if we listen to our intuition everything's going to just turn out exactly as we want and that is not the way that goes I know and I try to tell people that that sometimes it's not going to be rainbows and roses all the time if you listen to your intuition sometimes you're going to do something and it's going to but it's going to cause a cause an effect reactant that it's going to end up being on the same where you're supposed to be anyways right yes exactly yes and I am so glad at this age that I never became a rock star I mean I trust me I had 20 years of being a rock star but when I see when I look back and see how much of that drive to for me was because I didn't have the self-love or the self-affirmation and so you know it was that external gratification that was dry oh yeah if I get you know the whole world will love me then but now I'm so glad it never happened I would not want to be in that position or in that in that industry for sure right because it's so yeah I'm glad you're at where you're at I'm glad you didn't be a rock star I'm still alive it still happens I love this so so what are your plans for the future like are you gonna are you are you gonna be more speaking are you but you did say you were gonna have a course correct yes I'm working on an online sort of a downloadable course that you can take for conflict revolution right now I am leaving the country at the end of January I'm mostly going to the UK but I have some other places around Europe that I'm going and I'm on a world peace tour and I say I'm looking for the participation of the willing to take part in a worldwide nonviolent action to end the age of war using conflict revolution because if we all go in theoretically and find this us versus them whether it's you know you and me versus you know he's doing this or it's intellect and intuition right then the natural manifestation will be this reduction of all of this insane war that's bringing us to the brink yeah you and I just and I know this is small compared to what you're doing but when you said instead of it us being us versus them or me versus you I remember one of my clients was going through marriage counseling and she always had this thing that it was like the husband against the wife it was always like this him against her or him against her and the counselor finally was like it's you guys together a united force for the family and that changed the whole dynamics of the family and I know that that's a small part of it but it actually is if everybody could be that way if we could stop thinking about it's me against you or us versus them and it's a united force that's what that's what your peace act that's what you're trying to do that's what you're creating and you're just doing it one so I could just call you Sam Becket but you're doing it one person at a time right but you are hitting the masses more and more so you are yes and you're going to all these places which is beautiful and you know what I've probably I launched my tour last July 9th because that was the anniversary of the Russell Einstein manifesto which was read in London in 1955 it was his last last manifesto and basically it was them urging world governments to make peace to solve their conflicts peacefully because World War three will destroy us all and that was 1955 right so he was like a psychic back then and then in 1993 when we started doing this world peace was kind of a sweet idea but nobody really had any urgence right right but I'm telling you since I started this tour in July I've been on I wouldn't say hundreds but I've been on probably two or three podcasts a week since then and everybody wants to talk about this everybody wants to know how can I help that's what I was just gonna ask how could my clients or my following how could they help your peace activists or how could they join what you're doing I mean I'm gonna leave all of your information in the show notes at the bottom of the of the of these podcasts but how could if I want to just if I was blown away by this and I wanted to join and help what could I do well that's what conflict revolution is for is that I'm adding on asking people to do this not the byproduct will be world peace the purpose is for us to learn to love to love ourselves self love and that alone will help your life to thrive right because it'll help you to manifest what your dreams are what what your purpose is what your intention is well put you in alignment in that frequency right yes it'll line you to compassion what does we say okay and what all I'm doing is asking people to remember that when you do this whether it's with conflict revolution or like like your friend or client who realized it can't be us versus them it has to be us together whether however you do it right remember that is part of creating world peace you are the microcosm of the macrocosm and when you create peace within yourself you are doing your part and that's all you can do and it's a gracious plenty right and that's that's beautiful because I I'm yeah so it's not like you have to go out and change the world you just have to change well you don't you just have to be you you have to resolve that conflict within you and yes and so that's how they can start and that yeah absolutely read your books or do the whatever you have that's available for them to participate in correct yes and and usually my readings are pretty in depth with not just training people how to do this so what are your like what would your readings be like because like they're not like normal mediumship readings like what I right they're like different like so what are your readings in town well generally we take a look at where you've come like what you what what you shaped you through your life to be here do you just sometimes on like so I have to ask do you go into like past lives for that or do you just oh you do that's awesome yeah okay okay continue we do past lives okay and and then we talk about what is happening within these three human dimensions of your system and where the mind can in the intellect can be because the intellect is usually the dimension that we need the most alignment to because intuition is never going to tell you wrong emotion is just what it is emotion and then we look forward and while I've done really my big fair share of predicting it's really not my first forte but we do look into the future to see what's coming up to see and then they give they give you really clear steps to be able to deal with whatever those things are and how to you know people a lot of people are trying to manifest things and they think oh if I haven't manifest some a failure it's like no no no no no yeah so when we get down to this really microcosm of how you relate in in and get this total control of this inner world then you begin to not only manifest what you dream of but that you learn to love what you have you learn to appreciate that you're a miracle sitting in a chair I love that you say that because I tell my followers all the time you know the biggest secret is to just have gratitude for where you're at like be in the now the biggest thing the biggest spiritual thing you can do right now is to be grateful for the now even if it seems like it's really sucky it's just be be happy with the now and then and then it's just open to all this possibility and I think that that's so hard for us sometimes especially when we are in different emotions in grief or so that it's cool that this will help resolve some of that so you can sit in that and be in that place because we've been told so much that you know depression and anxiety and there's something wrong with you and you got at this and that we throw all that out the window and say you know depression is an emotion anxiety is emotion don't connect it to any thought honor it love it breathe it through your body spend some time with it because it's a wave it's going to dissipate at some point it feels like it's forever but that's what your intellect tells you yeah that's what you're yep and as somebody who I will be 69 soon um I can look back at all of those things that in the past were just shameful and horrible suffering and I would not trade one moment of anything that came my way and I've had I had a really really tough upbringing that was right associative which gave me these gifts helped me develop I've been blinded to yes yeah I agree yeah but I know when we're young when we're younger and it's like oh we're supposed to be doing this and we're supposed to be that I'm gonna be better there's like all this drive well some of it for me is just that when I get to this age it's it's way different you just don't sweat the small stuff but I've worked this process for so long that I have gotten to this place especially in the past few years where I've never gotten emotionally I am so solid and so strong like I've never been in my whole life it just doesn't emotionally affect you anymore you just it's yeah it's like and part of it is that when you have this operating system and you get triggered like what I do now I used to have to you know I get triggered well she just treated me so blood and then I have to go through this and I gotta figure out the this and now I just identify oh wow she's being a real control freak okay that's my cue you cannot become a control freak and a control freak would be somebody focused on somebody else and their control freakishness right so how are you gonna let go of her is that perception lens yes yes that and so I do it instantly it's not always easy no but this is what you kind of teach or kind of yes it's easier to to process through or to to get through I think well that whole knowledge is power once you know how to process it then it's like okay this is this is a little bit easier does it does that make sense is that kind of what it gets easier and easier and then as you do this you have many much less drama conflict that you're feeding into you know I don't have to go to her and go you know you were really a control freak last week and it really hurt my feelings that blah blah blah you just let it go it's like no this is my cue for me to not be a control freak and how am I going to do that what steps am I gonna take not to be a control freak and then switches that revolves the focus back to me it and then with her well if I don't like that she's a control freak how would I feel about me being a control freak right right and so it really reduces all that conflict which reduces the stress which up brings up the more peaceful yeah aura around us so one person at a time I get it I love this I love this Barbara I was so glad that we talked about this and I'm sure I have lots of followers who are going to be like where do I go I would I'd love to talk to all of you I'd like to I'd like to talk to you again too you know yeah deeper into the process yeah it's beautiful I it's it's like a no-brainer to me it's like a okay that's where it starts and I kind of always have like kind of somewhat thought this or knew this or deep down knew this but when you like bring it out into the open it's more it's kind of more clear do you know what I mean like I will admit the science part of it to me is like but I feel like once you kind of do it and or you join your your readings or whatever you do you'd understand it better so yeah I think this is beautiful I'm so glad you came I'm and good luck with your your travels and all of your you know the peace the international peace thing that you're doing I think it's I think it's beautiful and I can't wait to thank you get in and get involved and I'm actually going to go get off here and go get a couple of your books good good good yes yes we need that too yeah so before we leave though is there any like one message that you would like to like one thing that you would like to leave with with my followers or my my listeners that just to like you know just that one thing that you could say to them well I would say that emotion is so powerful it is our passion it is our our foundation and that if if there's one thing I wish people would walk away from this interview thinking about is how to detach that emotion from intellect how to have that breath work to feel it all and move it all because you will see immediate results the first time that the psychic Sororna had a fight and we brought the the transcript in and we had this miraculous outcome that we never imagined I went to work that night I was singing at this club in Minneapolis and there was a waitress there who never said one word to me she was just wouldn't say anything to me she was just stuck up and I walked in there that night she could not speak hey do you like Patty Smith I've got some tapes you might like she put a 20 in my tip jar to so I'm saying that when we change within things naturally shift outside ourselves sort of like you know Jesus you could touch the hem of his garment and you'd be I know yields totally symbolic of that so feel those feelings and then start to develop a witness so that when you're in line at the supermarket or you're driving in the car in traffic and you don't have anything you have to be doing that you can get into your witness see what you're thinking because you'll be shocked to find out what you're really thinking see what you're feeling and then listen for that intuition which is kind of hard but you know you begin to do it and that's the beginning of conflict revolution world peace one person at a time starting with you and and the last thing I would just say is that because I know I have clients I've had been channeling for decades people always come go well what's my purpose what am I supposed to be doing is if I'm supposed to be going it's to learn to self-love period and I I say the same thing I I I think mine I don't say self-love but it's the same thing it's to be your authentic self to be and the only way you can do that is to self to love yourself who you are not try and be who what everybody wants you to be you have to be who you are and then because I the biggest question I get all the time too is how do I hear my intuition and I think a lot of it is that inside being trusting yourself loving yourself being your authentic you and it all begins there and I get how if all of us had that or all of us could find that because I'm not saying what then then that would race that all the collective and it would it is actually yes it is and I well of all these podcasts that I've been on all of them I am so buoyed and here's another one you carry you're you're right there you get it and we're talking about it we're generating the the frequency and the vibration just by having these conversations so for me I love these conversations I'm reaching little pods of people with every single one that I do yeah and so we'll see we'll see I we'll see where this heads this time good good I love you I love you thank you for doing this I just I think we're all just I just can't wait to see where all your little quantum leaps lead you yes absolutely well I definitely have you on again I think it's beautiful message let's do it let's do it okay but good luck with everything and I will we'll we'll have you on again great all right thank you so much thank you so much [勇愛]
